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"12 Year Old Girls Don't Know What They Want."

Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 08:16:42pm   ►by Walter Scott Campbell   ►

    (NOTE: I know that I should be posting on Monday, but a recent interaction is fresh on my mind and so I don’t see any harm in dong so a few days earlier.)

    So I was drinking amongst friends and acquaintances at probably my favorite bar in San Francisco (coincidentally about a two-minute walk from my place, which has probably saved my life after more than a few games of beer pong as well as 50 cent PBR nights).  One of the guys at the table—a good acquaintance if not outright friend of mine—brought up a tale about a young man that I didn’t know, but that the majority of the table seemed familiar with.

    My friend proceeded to talk about how he doesn’t really talk to this dude anymore, and in his defense, he said something along the lines of, “Dude, he’s a pedophile.”  “Child molester” was definitely another term he used to describe said estranged friend/acquaintance of his.  Let’s just refer to said-perpetrator as Chester for clarity’s sake.

    To elaborate further, he explained the situation to my roommate and I (paraphrasing): Chester was 19 years old when he had sex with a 12 year old girl (I forget if she was his girlfriend or not), and how Chester had freaked out because he thought he got her pregnant.  I think my friend also said something about Chester doing some time as a result, but I don’t remember.

    The disclosure of ages between Chester and his victim (let’s call her Tracey so I don’t keep referring to her in the abstract) seemed to do the trick with the rest of my merry, buzzed cohort, prompting one to say, “It’s not consensual.”  Immediately the problematic aspects of quantifying consent came to my mind, but not necessarily in defense of Chester and Tracey’s activities, which I really don’t want to attempt to address with this blog post.  Fresh with this week’s EDUC 805 readings on my mind, I thought about what “consent” meant to my new acquaintance: did he mean that it was not consensual because of the age disparity, or did he mean that it was not consensual because 12 year olds (read: 12 year old girls) aren’t able to give consent in any sexual contexts?  I wasn’t really in the mood to take this a step further, but my storyteller friend happened to at least give his interpretation of adolescent female desire and agency:

    “12 year old girls don’t know what they want.”  Bingo.  Hello blog topic.

    It just so happens that fresh on my mind has been the continual coverage of the Jaycee Lee Dugard/Phillip (and Nancy) Garrido case, or should I say the newest episode of “Abducted White Middle-Class Children” that has been aired within U.S. collective memory and discourse (hey, it’s a rerun but NOW with an improved, shocking and yet mostly-happy ending!  Stay tuned for grotesque accounts of the pedophile’s lair, the pain of Jaycee’s family, the dumbfoundedness of Garrido’s acquaintances and how they would’ve never suspected as much, and a fundraiser concert in South Lake Tahoe!  You can almost lick the tears off of your television screen or computer monitor!  Of course, there’s always room for another sequel…)

    My profound sarcasm and insensitivity aside, I have been very nervous about what such a unique yet typical account of child kidnapping and molestation getting so much media airplay.  While radically different from my aforementioned example of Chester and Tracey, here we have another instance of culturally (re)defining and reifying the binary notions of lack of desire and perverted desire.  Phil Garrido (Chester?) is another great example of everything the U.S. fears and despises (Nancy is a more problematized figure that the public doesn’t know whether to feel hatred or empathy for, which is an interesting blog topic in itself), as Jaycee (Tracey?) is an example of who everyone rallies for and wishes to protect.  Protect that innocent (white) female body and mind from contamination.  Deliver us from evil, or at least deliver them from Antioch.  I hear there’s plenty of room for them in East San Jose.

    I’m not trying to be provocative to the point that I’m belittling Jaycee’s incredibly painful journey through adolescence into adulthood and motherhood, nor do I mean to mock the pain that her family, friends, and anyone else impacted has gone through.  I hope you folks have caught onto that.  Nor am I trying to address Chester and Tracey’s circumstances directly.  I’m more concerned in what they—or should I say, what their labels of “choiceless victimized girl” and “soulless perpetrating man”—mean in the larger context of addressing young people’s (especially young women’s) own capabilities, experiences, and understandings of sexual agency and desire.  These labels are obviously incredibly interdependent, and I would argue we now can’t have one (profound denial of childhood sexualities and desires) without the other (profound hatred of sex offenders, who seem more and more likely to invoke the image of a Phil Garrido or Chester the molester than, say, a college student who gets his girlfriend drunk and coerces her into having sex with him…oh, wait, they’re of age and in a relationship, so it’s *probably* consensual).

    I’m concerned about how these labels of “child molester” and “child victim” become static variables so solidified by cultural anger and notions of sexless childhood and oversexed pedophilia that to even attempt to detangle some of these inferences would be to question the very moral fabric of the United States of an Abstinence-Only and Pedophile-Free America.  To complicate or even challenge these nice, neat binary frameworks would be—depending on the company involved—to solicit a McCarthyist eyebrow raise, if not full-blown inquisition, accusations of political correctness (if not worse), or further claims as to how the graphic details and bizarre circumstances of such cases “prove” said theories of victimized girls’ lack of self-autonomy and predatory men’s lack of humanity.

    There’s obviously a lot of cultural fear and anger involving any suggestion that young folks have any semblance of what we consider “sexuality,” because we (adults) continue to define children’s experiences and subjectivities against our own.  Therefore (and while admitting that I’m not taking enough time to problematize respective heteronormative, racialized, and classed notions of childhood innocence), kids can’t really experience intimacy, they don’t know what “love” is, they’re not mature enough to handle the consequences of sex, and, by logical extension, “12 year old girls don’t know what they want.”  How we ever get to a point where we can talk about youth’s sexual desires, pleasures, and subjectivities (better yet, let young folks talk about their sexualities themselves without shame or discouragement!) in their appropriate contexts, in their own language and terms, and not automatically reducing it all as being problematic or inauthentic due to our own anxieties and fears, is a question that I feel needs to be at least partially addressed by this generation of sex educators, because if we can’t do our part to deconstruct cultural anxieties surrounding the Chesters and Traceys in a sex-negative nation that needs its victims and perpetrators in order to keep everything clear and uncomplicated, goodness knows Freud wasn’t/isn’t the answer.

    P.S. If anyone knows how I can type up my blog posts on a separate Word document (I don't trust typing them up directly on Dialogues and have already lost a few posts that way on iLearn) and then copy-and-paste without the font getting all funky, I'd appreciate your blog sophistication.

    Comments

    confessions of a pre-teen drunk

    I'm really ambivalent about the issues presented here and not entirely in a reactionist sort of fashion. On the one hand, I do support the claim that denying 'children' any sexual volition seems an agist and self-interest protecting venture. On the other hand, I do worry about granting 'children' agency and assuming that their actions are understood in a holistic sense of health and well-being. Let's take out the gender: does a twelve-year-old know what they want? My parent's let me have a glass of champagne at my sister's engagement party when I was eleven. And yes, at age twelve, I knew what I wanted: booze. Did the fact that I thought I had the capacity to decide whether I did or did not want to drink affect me later?--yes. I was sent to re-hab at fourteen. Not a pleasant experience. Youth may have a sense of what they may or may not want in the exacting moment, but I do believe as well that without life experience of consequences and effects of behavior, those choices can and generally will be misinformed.

    Michael McNamara on Sep 19, 2009 08:28pm

    I still don't know what "age-appropriate" means.

    I think those are good and valid points, Michael. If anything, I wanted to highlight that these issues regarding young folks and sex(uality) aren't as black and white as "the general public" likes (basically needs) to frame them. However, your comment and experiences help frame such a discussion with more perspective. I feel a lot of uncertainty and ambivalence as well, but at the same time I don't think the alcohol analogy in regards to questions of agency and self-actualization is directly comparable with sexuality or sexual behaviors. Relevant, yes. And you bring up the important point of opening up discussions and awareness of consequences and effects of behaviors. I'm curious what your take is or will be regarding the Schalet reading, specifically in the approaches and perspective of parents from the U.S. and the Netherlands regarding their children's relations and sleepovers with fellow teens of other genders (presumably, gender of attraction).

    Walter Scott Campbell on Sep 19, 2009 08:45pm

    post and request

    Teens have sexuality as do we all. The difficult part is in finding a way as adults to open up discussion about teen sexuality without pedophiles using it as an opportunity to take advantage. It doesn't help that a great deal of adults can't even articulate their own sexuality, either. As for your text issue, try composing in Notepad and saving it in .txt format. When you paste from that into your composition window, none of the MS bloated code will follow along. Be well.

    sexgenderbody on Sep 19, 2009 09:05pm

    Rant

    In my home state, a child cannot be charged for a crime before the age of 8. At age 12 a child can be held culpable for a crime, but will generally be charged as a minor depending upon the crime, and regardless of being charged as an adult or minor, cannot receive the death penalty. Age 16 is the age of consent for sex (which is great because it becomes legal to drive too), but at age 14 a teen no longer needs parental permission to get tested for STI's, and there is no age where the child needs the consent of a parent for an abortion. At age 13 a teen can seek mental health treatment without parental consent, and they can check themselves into rehab without parental consent at this age also (drinking age is still 21). While "12 year old girls" might not know what they want, some of the above listed issues appear to acknowledge the reality that 12 year old girls do in fact participate in behaviors that have been deemed more fitting of an adult. Judgment does not make teens and younger not participate in sexual and drug related behaviors, and in refernece to the Schalet article, it may be the judgment that puts youth in potentially compromising situations via secrecy and a lack of discussion. I want to bang my head against a wall just thinking about the fact that it is obvious that many adults know what youth are doing, but cannot get past their own prejudices and fears long enough to talk to kids about sex or even see sex as something other than threatening for youth. Unless of course "You're too young to be having sex or know what you want, so just don't" constitutes a conversation. As for pedophiles taking advantage, it appears that without opening up a discussion, they have already found a way to take advantage. Maybe it's the discussion that will help youth learn how to protect themselves from pedophiles. PS: I hate that this society deems anyone who has ever been a victim as forever damaged, relegating all other aspects of a persons identity secondary to the identity of "victim".

    Stephanie Kanna on Sep 23, 2009 09:03pm

    Victims?

    I have to admit that have a strong response to this topic & that it is anecdotal & related to personal experience. As a 12 year old 'girl', I did know what I wanted--I was (and had been for several years) surging with hormones, curiosity, and desire to explore. I wanted to explore, I wanted to have hot sex & laughter & joy. My sexuality felt boundless. That said, I was also lonely, isolated, unhappy, insecure, and trapped in a body that was betraying me. My female body was ridiculously developed for someone my age. So I was a 12 year old girl who wanted everything pleasurable the world had to offer, but <b>I didn't know how to get it</b>, and I think, for me, that is the big distinction. I was a 12 year old girl who's first 3+ sexual experiences were with 19 year old guys. And I can say unequivocally that they were all douchebags, and that one of them *was* a molester. Like even if someone did the things they did to me at the age I am now, I would consider them scum, but they did it to a young person who was still finding their way in the world & didn't know any better yet. So here's my issue. I gave consent, because I had this idea still in my head that sex was going to be hot and without repercussions, and because I wanted to be desired, and because I didn't understand yet that these men were not to be trusted. I said yes until I said no, and when I said no, I *was* able to walk away in physical safety from those situations--but psychologically and emotionally? It took me a long time until I trusted men again. So that is not to say that this is true of all such situations. I am sure out there in the world, there are relationships with those same age parameters that are authentic and not manipulative or deceptive. But I think that there is a lot of psychosocial development that happens between those ages, and that someone at age 19 has a significant advantage in the world over someone who is 12 in myriad ways. I don't care if two 12 year olds get it on, or even if there is a few years age difference--but that gap between those ages when people are still figuring out how to be in the world? It's too much for me.

    Anonymous on Sep 25, 2009 08:31pm